PARDON ME WHILE I BURST INTO SONG, NAMELY THE ONE APTLY TITLED “KUMBAYA”

Please refer to the link at the bottom with regards to this article.

Sonship hereticks cover their tracks in that they say that if someone comes against them or ridicules them concerning their Sonship Curriculum Study, then they are to put it down to suffering because it is God’s will.  That in itself is the stuff Cults are made of.  The devil has covered all his bases in this regard, so any disagreement or rebuke to this heresy is conveniently pushed aside.

They look down on you and treat you just as Cults would treat a person once you have voiced your displeasure or disagreement. Sonship is what it’s all about, ladies and gentlemen, if you aren’t into working for your sanctification – you’re nothing in their eyes.

Yet sanctification is an element of salvation.  We received it the day we got saved, we now have to live sanctified lives in the flesh.  There’s difference between being sanctified in one’s spirit, and living a sanctified life in the flesh.  The outer should reflect the inner, and this is where spiritual maturity comes into effect.  The outerman should be controlled by the innerman.  It however has nothing to do with one’s salvation.

The part where Mike McDaniel of Millennium Bible Institute states that the Corinthians wanted no part in the suffering and didn’t want to listen to the Apostle Paul’s admonition is a blatant lie because 2 Corinthians 7:9 tells us they had a change of mind with respect to their wrongs.

“Even though we haven’t even come into a simple son understanding and we have already said, yes, and if we died – what will happen is that we will be ahead of 99.5% of all that have believed the gospel. Because 99.5% have never said yes to sonship”.

I wonder which thumb they sucked that out of?  See how exclusive these people profess to be?  Cult.  The fact that one says “yes” to Sonship covers you when you die – not the fact that you are saved.  Sonship takes precedence over one’s judicial standing as far as these people are concerned.

I always thought Adam was perfect, without sin (before eating the fruit from the tree of knowledge of good and evil), so I’m not sure why God was going to teach him in producing godliness?  Are these people for real? :

“God was going to teach Adam in the knowledge of good and evil and that wisdom would have produced godliness”.

The devil competing with sound Pauline truth : He’ll tell you that what you have been taught sounds and looks almost the same than” the much better and improved programme”.  Talk about dangling that carrot in front of the donkey……… ouch!   If the grass is greener on the other side it can only mean one thing : that there’s more manure over there :

The competing wisdom will look very much like what the Father desires to teach us. It may be familiar because we have been taught that, but what the Father has for us has something more that that other thing does not have”.

Doesn’t the devil and his cults always have more to offer a person? In this scenario it is a “better inheritance” because you yourself work for your sanctification – it’s not what Christ did, it boils down to what you now can do.  Denominationalism always takes over somewhere along the line, they can never admit that Christ did it all.

Those who are never satisfied with the simple, basic truth, are always looking for something new.  When I first met De Trefethen shortly after being saved, she was always being blown about by every wind of doctrine, totally involved in the telling and hearing of new things, I guess she has finally found her niche….. but then, perhaps not, because when you are on a course always to find something new, your faith is eventually shipwrecked and you are left with nothing.   It’s the tragic tale of many – they take on and accept things the devil throws their way and cannot handle it over the long haul.  It becomes the proverbial noose around their necks.

Where does the preaching of Christ crucified and getting people saved feature in their curriculum?   It doesn’t look like it takes priority.  Anyone who wants to get closer to God other than being saved has a major spiritual problem – and that’s no laughing matter.

Can you imagine someone going around chanting “Abba, Father” because they think it brings them good things?  Where in Paul’s epistles does it state that we should be like Pentecostals and cry “Abba, Father” and it will bring us closer to God?  The only other person who cried “Abba, Father” was Jesus Christ and He is the only begotten Son of God.   In reality the reason why we cry “Abba, Father” is because we are saved and children of God – it shows our closeness and intimacy to the Father, like Christ.  But these hereticks turn it into a Pentecostal mantra whereby they can obtain certain things.

Sons – children – same thing.  Angels are also called sons of God because He created them.   We’re adopted because we weren’t initially created as sons of God, we become sons of God through faith in the Gospel, and He adopts us.  Our adoption still needs to be manifested though at a future allotted time.  And because we ARE His sons, we cry “Abba, Father”.  Like a child would call his father “daddy’.  It’s not rocket science.

Here it is in the very words of Mike McDaniel himself :

What you can expect from crying, Abba, Father, and keeping the course:

I will enjoy a level of intimacy with the Father that I have never experienced before.

My prayer life will change completely.

What we prayed before are not prayer issues, they are education issues.

Once we get educated by the curriculum we will know all about prayer.

We will learn what the Father thinks.

We will prove what is the Fathers will.

By the renewing of our mind we will prove God’s will, and in our liberty we will make decisions that will prove God’s will.

We will learn what choice out of many choices before us that will bring the Father the most pleasure.

That is proving the Fathers will.

God wants to treat us as sons not as children, but we in our ignorance have prayed as children, and it shows up in the way we have prayed.

The intimacy of fellowship in my prayer life will be so revved up that I will be talking to the Father all the time. Not about a persons health but about something better. Much better”.

http://osas.boards.net/thread/95/sonship-orientation

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5 thoughts on “PARDON ME WHILE I BURST INTO SONG, NAMELY THE ONE APTLY TITLED “KUMBAYA”

  1. They also state that how we rightly divide and suffer during our tenure on this earth is a practice run for our role in heavenly places. In other words, it’s conditional. Yet Paul states in 1 Corinthians 6 that we will be judges of angels, as well as judges of the world (without exception), which is clearly a position of leadership, i.e., reigning – and he is telling it to the carnal Corinthians too.

    I guess when you want to create a new doctrine, the devil gives you exactly what you want but his fingerprints are all over it like splitting the body into two (two inheritances) and messing with your salvation (by stating you aren’t sanctified), then puts you into a works-based programme (like all the other religions) and has you working your tail off (like denominationalists). These are all hallmarks of devilish doctine. And he achieves it and gains followers by good words and fair speeches.

    The reason why we suffer is because we preach Christ crucified and get souls saved, and the reason why we ought to behave is because we are children of Almighty God, we aren’t of this world – so we should behave appropriately – behave the part.

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  2. Gerard San Juan says:

    Hello brother,
    If you had any idea what mike McDaniel said was actually promoting you wouldn’t bag on him like you are now. He is not someone I idolize he is not someone I follow to be saved. His classes are for people who are already saved. Everyone knows salvation is by grace through faith. Everyone knows that for Salvation we have to preach the gospel of grace and yes it is a priority. However if you look at Paul’s epistles in themselves, they are already for the SAVED. Everyone he writes to in the New Testament, is for the saved already, notice his salutations “to the saints, to them in Jesus Christ, to the bishops/deacons, the beloved etc,

    Paul always wrote about the edification and growth of the believer. The whole point of his epistles was to show the saved that while you are already justified by faith, you need to prepare for the heavenly places. Everyone will reap what they sow. Not every believer “is forced” to preach the gospel of grace. Some believers will focus on edifying others, some will focus on preaching the gospel of grace, some will focus on correcting those who use grace for granted, yet Christ is the head of all and in all who have trusted in his death burial and resurrection alone to be saved. Mike McDaniel NEVER teaches that we should feel superior because of the son ship teaching, but rather we use it to help others, and it DOES please God. Are you going to preach the gospel of grace in heaven? No, because we were saved and adopted. While we are saved, and while we do need to witness others, we need to also grow as sons and daughters. This sonship edification which IS God’s intention for us, will help us live in this world.

    Just once again I want you to notice Paul’s epistles, he never writes to anyone who is not already saved. We can preach salvation to 100 people and only 1 will turn, but God himself is not unjust to not recompense the saved for growing in grace, whether they preach the gospel or edify themselves God is pleased with both. You are already bagging on Mike because this teaching seems cult like, but cults are supposed to make you do something to be saved. Mike teaches these things because they are the same thing Paul teaches and it is for people who ARE saved.

    The book of Romans is the book for people who are “saved and are new christians” and from romans to 2 Thessalonians you have an increasing and progressive amount of doctrine and layering of sanctification and growth in the mystery of the fellowship of the body of Christ.

    How is it cultlike to learn to be an adopted Son to your own Heavenly Father where you can be like him and work with him and qualify for positions he will give you?

    Do you not remember that we will all be held accountable at the judgement seat of Christ?

    If a man preaches the gospel of grace and suffers, Christ will reward him

    If a man learns to be a son and gets edification, Christ will also award him

    Again we are all members of the same body,

    Do not say to those who preach sonship edification ” I have no need of you”

    Neither do we say ” we do not need to preach the gospel”

    For if we did not learn the gospel of grace how then can we be edified as sins and daughters?

    You have every right to do whatever you want in Jesus Christ, I have checked mike’s teachings and I have concluded he is in fact For Jesus Christ, and I am thankful to learn from him.

    This is why we have so many divisions in the church because everyone is paranoid if some “unfamililar doctrine” but all of these things are in Paul’s epistles.

    Suffering is a part of growth, but we also grow through the application of Paul’s doctrines of us preparing for the heavenly places.

    Preaching the Gospel of Grace is crucial for all unbelievers to receive

    But once they are saved, should they not grow in grace?

    Is it offending to God to learn how to act and be like a Son or Daughter?

    How is this a devil’s doctrine, when the teachings of son ship makes the believer come closer to God and also seeks to have all brothers and sisters grow the same?

    The conditional part is what you receive in heaven, not your entrance into heaven!

    Do you think God will give everyone a reward because everyone got saved?

    Some will get saved and then those saved will do little so they will receive little

    Some will get saved and then do much then they will receive much.

    God is NOT UNJUST,

    In heaven we will reap what we sow.

    I have a question.

    Why do you criticize our brother mike?

    He is critical In the issue of Sonship because it is the growth that God expects us to have.

    I also preach the gospel of grace, but I do not preach every day?

    If you are Sons, you are sons indeed. All believers are sons, but not every believer will be given the exact same thing in heaven.

    Why do you criticize this? I do not put you down nor say you are of the devil.

    How can this man Mike be of the devil?

    Is mike promoting me to live like the world?

    Is he teaching me to kiss the statue of idols? Is he screwing up Paul’s desire to have each believer in Christ to take their adopted standing as Sons seriously?

    I marvel at your quickness to ridicule without investigation.

    Through Mike Mcdaniel’s teaching (which really he himself is using Paul’s epistles for us to look further into) I have been given more confidence to preach the Gospel of grace!

    Is that confidence from a devils work?

    Isn’t Satan’s role to shut up the brethren? Isn’t his desire is to deceive the world and also hinder the believers of Jesus Christ?

    Do you not know that I am not trying to earn salvation? But I am redeeming the time, using every second to have myself be edifice and conform to the image of Jesus Christ.

    For I am justified by grace through faith, and I grow as a son by study of the word and application of the epistles of Paul.

    Mike is not promoting this isolationist-like teaching,

    You take preaching the gospel of grace as if it’s the ONLY thing you should be doing?

    And if you preached that until death, you will indeed will receive a reward from Jesus Christ.

    And if you study to be more like a Son or Daughter, you will also receive a reward.

    Do you think every believer will be treated the same in heaven? Will the labour of our hands be compensated with the same equal rewards to both the carnal minded and spiritual minded?

    Or will the carnal minded receive their little and the spiritual receive their much?

    I fathom at your accusations. You accuse your own brother, and this accusation against each other is what the devil wants

    But you are not of the devil

    I have gone through many false teachers and have only stuck with those who are biblically and dispensationally accurate.

    Everyone (who is saved) already knows they will suffer and are suffering for their faith.

    However when you are edified and learn more about being an adopted Son, you take joy in that suffering but we are not taught to be superior than brethren, we accept that ALL brothers and sisters will reap what they sow.

    Is Jesus Christ going to give us the same thing? Remember the gold silver and precious stone and the wood hay and stubble.

    I am not working for my own salvation neither do I consider the Gospel of Grace as insignificant. For how can I be guilty if I seek to both preach the Gospel of Grace to the unsaved, and also preach sanctification and growth as adopted sons to the saved?

    Are we meant to just believe and stay saved and not know where to go from instant salvation?

    Are you worried that you will not be compensated compared to those who have given more effort?

    Brother my mindset is not against each other but for Jesus Christ.

    Go to graceage.org and look at Mike’s introductory courses.

    I have never seen someone teach like him, but he is not superior to other preachers.

    We are all members of the same body.

    Some teach the Gospel, some teach right division, some teach history, some prophecy, and here we now know that some will teach sonship growth,

    But all serve to please God. Amen.

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    • Hi,

      Your post was way too long, and since I’m not on here much, I don’t have the time to read through all that you wrote.

      What I did read and what I disagree with is:

      Paul doesn’t preach the New Testament, he preaches the Dispensation of Grace, the mystery revealed to him by the ascended Christ, secondly, Paul speaks to both unbelievers and believers in his epistles – Acts 9 tells me this. And since Mike McDaniel believes in Sonship edification which purports holy perfection at the end of the day (when all is said and done) – I have marked and will avoid him as per the Apostle Paul.

      Regar

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    • One other thing…… I am not a pleaser of men, although Mike might be a nice person, I do not agree with his teachings, as it is through Christ’s death that we obtain Sonship, not through our own “good works”. It’s all about Him, the Lord Jesus Christ.

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